Subaru Forester vs Nissan Patrol

What's the difference?

The Subaru Forester 2.5i-S continues to impress me. It’s a very practical family car with its features and use of space but I like the price, too. Some of the old-school design aspects won’t appeal to everyone, though. I also would prefer a more powerful engine but this easily gets an 8.0/10 from me.

My son liked his view this week and the big sunroof, he gives it a 7.0/10. 

Premcar faced a formidable challenge in improving a vehicle as competent as the Patrol Ti, but the Warrior succeeds in achieving the project's four key objectives of enhanced off-road capability, road presence, V8 soundtrack and refinement.

It offers astonishing performance and handling for a vehicle of its size and weight and with its recent cabin technology upgrades, the Patrol Warrior has become an even more desirable package. Fact is, we didn’t want to hand it back, which says plenty.

The 2023 model hasn’t seen a facelift and remains decidedly curvy with its chunky body panelling but the LED exterior lights add some sharpness to the overall look.

The interior carries the ‘muscular’ vibe with the thick cutaways and ledges on the dashboard and door panels. There’s a lot happening inside but it all somehow manages to not be overwhelming.

It’s a bit old-school inside, with the traditional gearshifter, CD player (yep, they still exist) and smaller 8.0-inch touchscreen multimedia system but I reckon it just makes this look more capable.

It’s certainly polished but it won’t appeal to drivers who are looking for sleek or futuristic styling. 

Significant changes are focused on the active suspension system, which uses active dampers fitted to each wheel’s coil-sprung suspension arms to serve as shock absorbers and stabiliser bars in one.

This not only provides optimum wheel travel and traction off-road but also monitors cornering forces and distributes hydraulic pressure to minimise body roll when on-road.

Warrior upgrades include a 40mm increase in track width, to provide a wider and more planted stance with only a slight 100mm increase in turning circle.

The body also sits 50mm higher thanks to a 29mm suspension lift and 21mm taller wheel and tyre package, resulting in 323mm of ground clearance, a steep 40 degrees approach angle and 23.3 degrees departure angle with tow-bar fitted.

However, it will still fit under multi-storey or underground car parks with typical 2.0-metre-plus height limits.

There's also unique Premcar hydraulic valve componentry and calibrations to sharpen chassis response, along with revised front springs and new multi-rate rear springs with progressive-rate rear bump-stops.

The Warrior’s heavy-duty off-road hardware has contributed to a higher kerb weight, which Premcar has allowed for in the Warrior’s 120kg GVM upgrade that brings a handy 48kg increase in carrying capacity compared to the Ti. The Patrol’s standard 3.5-tonne braked tow rating is also maintained.

There’s generous space and sumptuous luxury for the driver and front passenger and when I'm seated in the second row, with the driver’s seat in my position, there’s still about 12cm of knee clearance which is admirable space given my 186cm height.

The second-row seats fold and tumble forward to allow easy access to the third-row. However, that convenience causes a space problem for third-row passengers (tall ones at least), because the second-row can’t be slid forward and its backrest angle can’t be adjusted.

So, although Nissan claims an eight-seat capacity in 2-3-3 formation, that could realistically only be achieved with small kids in the rear stalls.

The interior is downright practical and boasts more space than this SUV class can usually claim. At 168cm (5'6") I have plenty of head and legroom in both rows, even with the electric sunroof! Tall passengers will feel comfortable, too.

Up front, the leather-accented seats are well-padded and both are electric with heating function but the passenger side misses out on additional lumbar support.

Individual storage options are quite good with a deep middle console and glove box, plus two cupholders and a drink bottle holder in each door.

The phone utility tray is a tad too small for my iPhone 8 Plus, which makes it awkward when you connect to the wired Apple CarPlay or Android Auto.

The 8.0-inch touchscreen multimedia system is on the smaller side but the graphics are super clear. It’s not laggy either, which is always a bonus, and has built-in satellite navigation, too. 

There is an additional 4.2-inch screen on top of the dash plus the 6.3-inch digital instrument panel – both display safety and vehicle information but I found it confusing jumping between all three screens while on the go.

Incorporating the smaller screen’s info into a larger instrument panel would have been better.

Charging options are good throughout with each row getting two USB-A ports but the front also enjoys two 12-volt ports too.

The back seat is almost as comfortable as the front and individual storage is better than average with a map pocket and two device holders on the backs of both front seats. There are those drink bottle holders and two cupholders in the fold-down armrest.

The amenities are a bit bare but I do like that you have directional air-vents and those USB ports.

My six-year old and my parents found it super easy to get in and out of this car because of the 220mm ground clearance.

The doors were a little heavy for my son to operate smoothly but I love how they open to almost 90 degrees because it made it easy to fit my monster booster seat through the aperture.

On that note, there are ISOFIX child-seat mounts on the outboard seats and three top-tether anchor points and I reckon you might get lucky with three skinny seats.

There should be plenty of room for front passengers when a 0-4 rearward facing child seat is installed, too.

I really like how wide and tall the aperture is for the boot but was surprised that it only has 498L of capacity because it looks a lot bigger.

It has a level loading space but because of the full-sized spare wheel, you can’t adjust the floor level. And as always, it’s great having a powered tailgate.

The Warrior’s hefty 2884kg kerb weight is 72kg heavier than the standard Ti due to its unique off-road armoury. Even so, its uprated 3620kg GVM allows for 736kg of load capacity, which should be ample for five adults and their luggage on a trip.

It’s also rated to tow up to 3500kg of braked trailer but with its 7000kg GCM rating (how much it can legally carry and tow at the same time) that would require a 120kg reduction in vehicle load to avoid exceeding the GCM.

Or you could lower the trailer limit by the same amount (from 3500kg to 3380kg) and maintain the Warrior’s maximum load. Either way, these are sizeable and practical numbers for a multitude of recreational pursuits.

Cabin storage for driver and front passenger includes a bottle-holder and bin in each front door, plus a glove box and overhead glasses holder.

The centre console has two small bottle/cupholders and various nooks for small items, plus a large box at the rear with a padded lid that doubles as a plush elbow rest. The console also has two USB-A ports and two 12-volt sockets.

Second-row passengers get a bottle-holder and bin in each door, plus large pockets on the front seat backrests and access to the console box thanks a clever two-way console lid.

There are also two pop-out small bottle/cupholders in the fold-down centre armrest and the rear of the centre console provides separate climate controls, two USB-A ports and another 12-volt socket. There are also bottle/cupholders on each side of the third row.

The large rear luggage area has another 12-volt socket, storage compartments beneath the load floor and multiple retractable hooks for anchoring load straps or nets.

It offers 468 litres of load volume with the third row upright, 1413 litres with the third row folded and a cavernous 2632 litres (or more than 2.6 cubic metres) with the second and third rows folded.

Our ‘Gun Metallic’ test vehicle (one of four Warrior colours) is based on the well-appointed Patrol Ti model. It’s available only with the Patrol’s standard 5.6-litre petrol V8 and seven-speed automatic for a list price of $104,160.

That looks like a bargain compared to the top-shelf model in the LandCruiser 300 Series range, the Sahara ZX, which lists at $146,876.

The Warrior costs $16,260 more than a standard Ti and for that extra spend you get a generous package of unique and well-engineered upgrades.

Exterior changes include a distinctive black grille and door mirror caps, Warrior body decals and badging, Warrior-branded front bumper assembly and an eye-catching red Warrior-branded engine bash-plate.

There’s also 18-inch alloys with taller Yokohama 295/70 all-terrain tyres and a full-size alloy spare, black composite wheel arch flares, stainless steel bi-modal exhaust system with side-body outlet, rear bumper assembly with black valance panel and a bespoke 3.5-tonne towbar with two recovery points.

Although the engine and transmission are the same as a standard Patrol, the suspension has been significantly revised (see Design).

The Warrior adopts a classy and understated interior theme, featuring high-gloss piano black trim elements on the centre console and black Alcantara synthetic suede inlays on the dash (with subtle Warrior branding) and door trims.

The MY24 Warrior benefits from a recent and overdue upgrade of the Patrol's decade-old cabin technology (we tested the pre-upgrade model) resulting in a redesign of the console layout and functionality.

These include a 10.1-inch touchscreen for the six-speaker multimedia system offering the latest in digital radio, Apple CarPlay/Android Auto connectivity and Hema 4x4 navigation, plus wireless smartphone charging and USB-A and USB-C ports. Other technology upgrades include an ‘intelligent’ rear-view mirror and cool-box for the centre console.

By contrast, a foot-operated mechanical parking brake and large analogue speedo/tacho units are quaint reminders of the Y62’s longevity.

Our Forester model has a 2.5-litre, horizontally-opposed four-cylinder 'boxer' petrol engine with a maximum power output of 136kW and 239Nm of torque.

It’s not the most powerful engine but I feel it had plenty of power for what I required of it this week. It can occasionally whine if you push it hard on a hill.

This is an all-wheel drive but has a continuously variable auto transmission, which can feel a bit clumsy at lower speeds.

The ageless DOHC 32-valve 5.6-litre petrol V8 with variable valve timing produces the same 298kW at 5800rpm and 560Nm at 4000rpm as the standard Ti.

However, the Warrior's unique bi-modal exhaust system offers a choice of mild (using the full-length system) or wild (using a shorter side-exit system) exhaust notes via an internal valve.

The refined seven-speed torque converter automatic transmission has overdrive on its sixth and seventh ratios for optimum highway economy, plus adaptive shift control and the choice of sequential manual-shifting.

The full-time 4WD system offers a locking rear differential, electronic switching between high and low ranges, three off-road terrain modes ('Sand'/'Rock'/'Snow') and hill descent control.

The official fuel figure for the combined cycle is 7.4L/100km and my real-world usage came to 6.9L. That’s great economy for this sized SUV but I did mostly open-road driving this week. Expect it to be higher in the city.

Based on the combined fuel figure and the 63L fuel tank, you should be able to get a driving range of around 850km, which is good for those families who like to do road trips.

Nissan claims an official combined average consumption of 14.4L/100km but the dash display was showing 17.5L/100km when we stopped to refuel after 306km of testing which comprised city, suburban, highway and dirt road driving.

Our figure, calculated from fuel bowser and tripmeter readings, was higher again at just under 20L/100km. This admittedly included heavy throttle use exploring the Warrior’s handling and exhaust enhancements, so this consumption would improve with a lighter right foot.

Even so, based on our figures, owners could still expect a driving range of around 700km from its huge 140-litre petrol tank, which expands to 970km based on Nissan’s official figure.

I’ve mostly enjoyed driving this around town but it delivers a steadier experience on the open road. That CVT auto just doesn’t do it any favours in stop/start traffic, I’m afraid!

I didn’t have to get too aggressive with the accelerator on hills, but the engine can whine if you push it too hard.

Overall, the steering is responsive enough to confidently take on a winding road but it’s on the looser side of firm. The ride comfort is superior and while the suspension feels super cushioned, it’s not floaty.

The cabin can get a bit loud at higher speeds and your senses might feel battered after a long trip but it is otherwise pleasant to be in.

I am particularly fond of the higher driving position and how the windows at the rear are so wide. It has great visibility, which is important in a SUV.

The exterior styling makes the Forester appear a lot larger than it is but the 10.8m turning circle reminds you how easy it is to manoeuvre! 

The reversing camera is clear and I love the additional side camera that shows the front left wheel. It makes it easy to line up the car with parking lines.  

My wife and I had no trouble finding comfortable driving positions, thanks to its combination of a height/reach-adjustable steering wheel, prominent left footrest and 10-way power adjustable driver’s seat.

The big V8 has a muscular deep-chested rumble at idle, which changes to a full-throated roar when you prod the accelerator hard enough to redirect the exhaust flow through the shorter side-pipes.

The Patrol comes standard with fantastic ride and handling thanks to its active suspension, but Premcar’s input has that ‘special vehicle’ feel to it.

With its wider track it feels even more surefooted on the road, which combined with revised hydraulic valving and spring rates provides a more responsive driving experience that doesn’t compromise its supple ride quality.

It feels lighter and more agile than you’d expect for a high-riding SUV that weighs more than 2.8 tonnes.

The 5.6-litre V8 is a torque monster, with 90 per cent of its generous 560Nm on tap from only 1600rpm. You can rev it all the way to 5800rpm to extract its 298kW of peak power, but we found the most rewarding performance was to revel in its abundant surge of pulling power below 4000rpm.

On the highway it requires only 1750rpm to maintain 110km/h, making it an effortless and quiet road-tripper, given low tyre and wind noise combined with low engine noise courtesy of the bi-modal exhaust using the full-length system in cruising mode.

Overall, this is a fun and rewarding vehicle to drive, within the obvious limitations of a large 4x4 wagon.

The Nissan Patrol is unrated by ANCAP but comes with driver and front passenger front and side airbags plus full side-curtain airbags that span all three rows.

There’s also AEB, an around-view monitor with moving object detection, front and rear parking sensors, lane-keeping, blind-spot monitoring, rear cross-traffic alert, tyre pressure monitoring and more.

The second-row has ISOFIX child restraint anchorage points and top-tethers on the two outer seating positions and there's another top-tether for the third row.

The on-going costs are quite reasonable on this with it coming with a five-year/unlimited km warranty. You can choose to pre-purchase a three- or five-year capped-priced servicing plan, which is cheaper than a pay-as-you-go option.

It’s $1387.25 for the three-year plan (averaging $463 per service). Expect to pay $2674.64 for the five-year plan (averaging $535 per service) but both plans are competitive for the class.

Servicing intervals are average at every 12 months or 12,500km, whichever occurs first.

Nissan provides a five-year/unlimited km warranty (plus five-year roadside assist) for the Patrol Ti base vehicle, which Premcar matches with its own five-year warranty covering the Warrior conversion.

Scheduled servicing is every 12 months/10,000km, whichever occurs first.

Capped-price servicing for the first five scheduled services totals $3019, or an average of $603.80 per service.